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105k Mile Tune up on an Accord

This is a quote from the dealer. 1700$ for my 2004 EX6 Coupe.

Brake fluid flush Transmission fluid change Coolant change (Don't know about the hoses) 6 cylinder tune up. i think he said was 450$ alone. Belts and water pump change

Sounds like a lot to me. I read this car has coils on the spark plugs. what ever that means. i guess no wires.

Is that reasonable. hell i might just as well trade it in..

actions · 2010-Sep-19 6:03 am ·

2010-Sep-19 7:49 am

This is a quote from the dealer. 1700$ for my 2004 EX6 Coupe.

Brake fluid flush Transmission fluid change Coolant change (Don't know about the hoses) 6 cylinder tune up. i think he said was 450$ alone. Belts and water pump change

Sounds like a lot to me. I read this car has coils on the spark plugs. what ever that means. i guess no wires.

Is that reasonable. hell i might just as well trade it in..

It was unreasonable until you hit the 'belts and water pump'--this car has a timing belt that needs to be changed, and they're changing the water pump at the same time [very wise]. I would find an independent to do this, even with genuine Honda parts, it would probably be $1,000 or less.

Oh, just thought of something--can one of gents more familiar with this engine verify whether this is one of those Honda V6s that needs a valve adjustment at 105k?

I think book on this job is 5-6 hours, which makes your dealer's labor rate

$175/hour (my lawyer bills less!). definitely see if you can find a reasonable and competent independent to do this.

But whatever you do--make sure the timing belt gets done at interval, this is an interference engine.

actions · 2010-Sep-19 7:49 am ·

2010-Sep-19 8:16 am

It isn't the cheapest, yes we all know that.

I'll spare you the disservice of pulling a meaningless number out of my posterior, especially when I don't know all the details of the work being done. The work you quoted is significant, but it isn't itemized clearly enough in your post to provide a detailed cost comparison.

As one example, they may be replacing timing belt idlers. This can easily add $200.00 in parts. Without seeing a detailed estimate, I can't say.

You have a few pluses going for you however.

They know the car. Far less chance of a problem than someone at a small shop working on their first Honda V6 timing belt in 2 years.

If there is a problem, you know they are going to stand behind it.

If they don't satisfy you, Honda will. AFAIK, Honda has a nationwide 1 year warranty on any retail repairs done.

My background is that of a dealer tech. I would happily pay a labor rate premium to have someone who knows my car work on it.

In my experience, a GOOD independent isn't going to be that much cheaper than a dealer. Shopping strictly on price isn't going to get you the best job.

actions · 2010-Sep-19 8:16 am ·

2010-Sep-19 8:56 am

In my experience, a GOOD independent isn't going to be that much cheaper than a dealer. Shopping strictly on price isn't going to get you the best job.

That is admittedly true. The place I take my Volvos (a Volvo/BMW specialist--that's all they do) is only

105k Mile Tune up on an Accord where to get a cheap oil change

$15/hr cheaper than the dealer, though they don't mark up their parts to the same degree as the dealerships around here do.

actions · 2010-Sep-19 8:56 am ·

2010-Sep-19 9:21 am

Thanks for the replies. I'm going to call and ask them for a detailed list of what is being done. I would like to see my radiator hoses changed also.

As the valves go i brought it to them some time back and they said this engine didn't need that. A friend of mine who knows dealer ships in Tenn. told her they never seen an Accord under 90k need a valve adjustment. Now they probably mean from years 2003- on. I'm not sure on that.

actions · 2010-Sep-19 9:21 am ·

2010-Sep-19 3:27 pm

As I recall from being a Honda SA, that timing belt/water pump service is $765.00 alone - which does include the water pump, timing belt, coolant and labor. It may also have included a new serpentine belt. As 3SGTE said, there may be an idler or tensioner pulley or both that need to be replaced. Timing belt replacements are longer than they once were (40-60K), so it is not uncommon to find a pulley bearing with roughness in it. Leaving in a questionable bearing is an exceedingly bad practice.

The plugs are platinum, so they are probably 12.00 or more each, plus labor.

A brake fluid flush can be anywhere from 70.00 to nearly a hundred depending on method used. A proper flush is required here, since it should have been done at 30,000 mile intervals anyway. I change mine every two years regardless of condition or mileage.

The transmission fluid change is probably about 60.00 or so, unless they are doing a complete fluid exchange. I hope if it is a complete change you have had a change no less than 60,000 miles ago, else I would specify for them to not do a transmission flush. I don't care what the manufacturer says, transmission fluid cannot and should not be left in the transmission for 100,000 miles.

Suffice it to say that all manufacturers have changed recommendations to give the appearance of a lower Cost of Ownership. These are completely false intervals, especially for those who keep cars longer than four years or who plan to.

Using genuine Honda parts will raise the price. If you ask a local independent guy to do it, he will likely raise the part pricing to you because his profit margin will be lower. Perhaps he has a lower labor rate as well, so you may save. Some local shops have little to no business planning or strategy, so they don't realize they need to profit to stay in business. They also may not invest time and money for tools and training, so they "save" money that way. Non OE parts may be cheaper; quality may vary.

I can tell you that Honda does have trained people to do a proper job on your car and will guarantee that job. Some good independents may do the same job, perhaps for more or less money.

Whether you go independent or for OE service, there is no economy in spending over 20,000 dollars against a $1700.00 maintenance service bill. Where was your head when posting that. I have heard it many times from a variety of people in many situations, a statement continuing to dumbfound me.


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actions · 2010-Sep-19 3:27 pm ·

2010-Sep-20 4:58 am

Unless that 2004 Accord is a rusty bucket of bolts, you'd be throwing money away by NOT doing the services. It's only 6-7 years used and probably has at least HALF of that remaining in its useful service life, with proper and regular maintenance.

I've owned only four cylinder Hondas; assuming the V6 Accord is transverse mounted (as in most FWD automobiles) the rear spark plugs are likely VERY HARD to reach and best left to a mechanic.

You must have more than one Honda service shop in your area; get a quote from the next nearest dealer and NEGOTIATE; you may save a few bucks and still get quality service, genuine Honda replacement parts and a 90 day warranty on the repair.

actions · 2010-Sep-20 4:58 am ·

2010-Sep-20 8:55 am

Find a good independent shop - one that specializes in 'foreign' cars - imho - would be best.

The timing belt, water pump and seals is

$750 alone. Tranny change and coolant should not be more than $200 - my local shop does not charge more than $100 for a tranny fluid change on our Accord wagon.

The price is a bit high but dealers generally cost more - a good independent shop should drop the price a bit.

One of my pet peeves - as much as I have loved my Honda's - the timing belt. they really need to just switch to belts.

actions · 2010-Sep-20 8:55 am ·

2010-Sep-20 8:58 am

I have 98k on it now. So i have a little time before the 105k Spark plugs and belt change. I think i may start doing a few things now like brake fluid. I still love this car. It drives just the same as the first day i had it. Everything seems tight on it. No rattles or anything like that. I was thinking of buying a new Chevy SS or a Mustang Cobra. I've never owned a muscle car and was thinking of making the jump. But those cars would not be good in our winters. So i would have to store it and that's more money..

I've just tried a fuel cleaner suggested here made by Chevron and wow what a difference. I just hope the performance last awhile between cleanings.

actions · 2010-Sep-20 8:58 am ·

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2010-Sep-20 2:07 pm

Suffice it to say that all manufacturers have changed recommendations to give the appearance of a lower Cost of Ownership. These are completely false intervals, especially for those who keep cars longer than four years or who plan to.

Puck I never thought of that. I had a problem with Nissan not wanting to do a break flush after 36 months. This is after I explained that the truck was built 43 months ago. I am not an expert on cars but I am good on the resale value of them. This was something that was important to me. WTF they refused!

actions · 2010-Sep-20 2:07 pm ·

2010-Oct-11 6:33 pm

Well i got the estimate for my 105k mile service.

Timing Blt Package w/tensioner Water pump is inspected $695 Spark plugs $239 Engine valve adjustment $449 Level2 Fluid service $220

They said if i wanted the water pump changed out i could get that but they have never seen an Accord need one under 200k

actions · 2010-Oct-11 6:33 pm ·

2010-Oct-11 6:38 pm

Water pump is about $40 and if it had to be replaced by itself - will cost about the same as the timing belt. Replace it is what I would do every time a belt is changed and I did that with every timing belt I changed with the Civic I had - 3 times and would have done it 4 times if I had not sold the car.

$40 is CHEAP insurance.

Unless the plugs are hard to get to - replace them yourself and save $200.

actions · 2010-Oct-11 6:38 pm ·

2010-Oct-11 6:45 pm

Yes i will have to research doing the plugs myself.

actions · 2010-Oct-11 6:45 pm ·

No_Strings quote: You can always change it IF it hoes bad. Water pumps are VERY expensive to replace due to the labor needed to replace it. Pretty much what is needed to change a timing belt, is the same thing that is needed to be done to replace the water pump. Tons of labor as the parts are very inexpensive but it is not a 1 hr job.

Changing it with timing belt can save - literally $300 - for $40.

actions · 2010-Oct-13 2:38 pm ·

2010-Oct-13 2:56 pm

Changing it with timing belt can save - literally $300 - for $40.

It only "saves" it *IF* it goes bad. And by the time the old one *might* have hone bad, the new one could go bad as well. And be sure it's not only $40 extra for labor and parts. Hell I've been quoted $650 by the dealer ($550 by another shop) for replacing the $150 hub which is only 3 bolts and 1 nut away from a regular brake pad replacement. Extra time it added for me compared to "just pads": 30min.

actions · 2010-Oct-13 2:56 pm ·

2010-Oct-13 3:04 pm

I have had them go bad - luckily around the time the belt needed changed else I would be paying double.

Cheap insurance that $40 is quite frankly. I would change them every time a belt needed to be changed.

actions · 2010-Oct-13 3:04 pm ·

2010-Oct-13 3:15 pm

I have had them go bad - luckily around the time the belt needed changed else I would be paying double.

Cheap insurance that $40 is quite frankly. I would change them every time a belt needed to be changed.

The pump alone is $100 in the store, so dealer price is easily $150 Add at least $100 extra labor. Suddenly it's $250 extra.

actions · 2010-Oct-13 3:15 pm ·

2010-Oct-13 3:56 pm

Water pumps for my cars were $50 or so. Looking at the 2004 Honda here - range from $51-$170 depending on the kit.

All of the parts needed to get off to replace the water pump is already done with the timing belt. My independent shop never changed extra, other than the part itself, for the water pump since there was no extra labor for them. Everything was already apart when doing the belt.

Even if the dealer part was $150 - that is what it should cost - no extra labor for the pump. the dealer can charge if they want but I also highly recommend the independent shop but no good dealer will charge extra labor for the pump for the reasons already stated.

And I still reiterate - it is damn cheap insurance even at $150 for the part. Most places estimate the pump and belt together - never seen a place where the difference had any extra labor added for the pump - the difference was the part.

actions · 2010-Oct-13 3:56 pm ·

2010-Oct-13 4:13 pm

I've decided to do the plugs myself. So that will save towards the pump. The plugs if i get those Densco I think there called. Are $12 a piece on Amazon.com. I'm tempted to look at new cars but i just hate the idea of getting rid of this one.

actions · 2010-Oct-13 4:13 pm ·

2010-Oct-15 1:53 pm

AllData Pro is showing 1 hour labor to change the plugs. and plugs are anywhere from $1 to $10 depending on what type you want. that car calls for the Iridium core plug, and those are 10 bucks a pop, so for the tuneup, with shop labor around 75 bucks an hour, that could easily be $150.

changing the fuel filter would be part of the tuneup as well. and from what i am seeing, that is an in tank filter and the pump assembly is part of that as well. $276 bucks for that. some maintenance schedules call for components to be replaced before they fail. that is up to your budget.

the water pump is $60 bucks at autozone, new. the labor to replace the water pump is 5 hours labor. 4.6 hours if the car does not have A/C, but i am sure this one has A/C. the dealer cost on the water pump is about $133 bucks. i'd go with the autozone one myself. they will give you this speech over how they can not warranty the performance of parts that they do not provide, but remember the parts they will be using will be a hell of alot more than ones you can go buy that are made to the exact same specs.

the trans fluid change is available most anywhere. be sure they use the T-Tech 100% fluid exchange. the service garage i used to work at had the machine. the honda fluid can be quite expensive. check other service garages in your area before you let the dealer stick you on this service. ask for the price if they perform the service with their own fluid (be sure it is rated for the honda specs) and ask they what they would charge if you brought your own fluid. we used to charge $109 for the hondas if i remember correctly.

has the timing belt been changed on the car? that is something to be looked into as well. i am not sure if your car is the V6, that is what i am assuming. check to see if that has been changed. if the timing belt breaks, it usually is devastating to the honda engines.

the serpentine belt costs about $40 and calls for .5 hour to change, so that service should run around $80.

the last time i priced a brake fluid change, that was about $75 bucks. check around with other reputable garages in your area before you spend any amount of money.

so based on what i posted, here is my estimate on what it should cost:

without changing the fuel pump or timing belt, i come to a total of $830 before tax. i believe the dealer is sticking you. my prices are using autozone parts, and going by the labor requirements of alldata pro which 99% of shops use today.

people, DO NOT chime in on your opinions of autozone parts vs anyone elses parts, this thread is about the cost of having some services done and i am showing him how over inflated the dealer can be.

remember, the dealer is not the only person out there that can work on a honda. call around with what you need done, and i can bet you that it wont be anywhere near what honda quoted you. also tell them you will supply your own parts, all you need is a list of the ones needed and you will go get them on your own and yes you know they will not warranty someone elses parts.

if you save an exponential amount of money, PM me for my address so you can send me the difference LMAO

hope this helps.


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